New regs would crack down on Seattle liveaboards
Jun 13 2011 in Currents by Deborah Bach

Proposed changes would impact liveaboards in Seattle, including around 600 people living on about 300 boats at Shilshole Bay Marina.
The city of Seattle is proposing new regulations that could dramatically limit liveaboards and place new requirements on marinas where they live.
The regulations, part of a broader overhaul of the city’s Shoreline Master Plan, propose to limit liveaboards to 25 percent of slips at any marina, define as a liveaboard anyone spending more than four nights a week aboard their boat and require marinas to register and report on the number of liveaboard vessels. Additionally, house barges would be defined as vessels with self-propulsion and steering equipment.
The provisions, which have not yet been finalized, were met with sharp criticism from the Shilshole Liveaboard Association.
“We’ve had liveaboards on vessels since the mid-1800s in Seattle, and we believe (the proposed regulations) pose a threat to the continued availability of that lifestyle to others going forward,” SLA President Gail Luhn said.
The city lists three main priorities for the Shoreline Master Plan: preferred shoreline uses, public access and environmental protection. But Luhn said while marinas are identified as “ecologically impaired” in the city’s documentation in support of the proposals, there is no evidence in the materials supporting that assessment, nor any data demonstrating that liveaboards are negatively impacting the environment.
Luhn said the proposed changes seem to be driven by a perception that liveaboards produce more greywater — wastewater generated through activities such as dishwashing and cleaning — than boaters who don’t live aboard. The city, she said, does not appear to have considered the level of water pollution caused by liveaboards versus other sources, such as stormwater runoff.
“They considered marinas to be ecologically impaired environments, period. There were no studies, no research, nothing,” she said. “There is no good science out there that anybody can find or that the city has been able to point us to.”
A public hearing on the proposed changes was held March 8. Luhn said the liveaboard associations were not notified about the hearing or consulted about the changes, and only learned about the upcoming meeting through someone at the Port of Seattle.
Representatives from the Shilshole and Lake Union liveaboard associations attended the meeting and were told the proposed changes were based on input from a citizens advisory committee, Luhn said, but there were no liveaboards on the committee.
Maggie Glowacki of the city’s Department of Planning and Development declined to be interviewed about the proposed changes or say why the city has decided to target liveaboards. Via email, Glowacki said that the revisions have not been finalized and the city is now meeting with liveaboards to seek their input. The department will be proposing to change the definition of liveaboard from what was initially put forth, she said.
“We will be working through the rest of the live-aboard proposal with the live-aboard community and staff from the Department of Ecology and the Department of Natural Resources.”
A public comment period on the changes – extended following the public hearing – closed May 31. Glowacki said the city is now reviewing feedback and expects to issue a revised draft proposal in July.
The proposed revisions raise many questions – for example, would boaters who stay aboard for more than four days weekly during peak season only be considered liveaboards and counted toward the proposed 25 percent limit? If liveaboard slips are restricted in number, would that drive up the cost of those slips? Will the additional administrative costs involved with registering and tracking liveaboards be passed along to boaters?
Luhn said while current liveaboards would be grandfathered under the proposed regulations, marinas with more than 25 percent liveaboard slips would have to reduce down to that limit through attrition. And liveaboards would likely not be able to transfer their liveaboard status if they move to another marina, she said.
The proposed regulations, Luhn said, could drive liveaboards underground, limiting the ability to monitor their compliance with environmental regulations, and would further limit a needed form of affordable housing.
The SLA sent a letter to the city at the end of May, suggesting alternatives to the proposed regulations. Those include defining as liveaboards boaters who stay aboard more than 30 days out of a 45-day period or more than 90 days annually; allowing marinas to set their own liveaboard caps and excluding any vessels that manage their grey water; and requiring all vessels, liveaboard or not, to follow environmentally friendly practices as a condition of moorage.
“I am hoping that the Department of Planning and Development responds favorably to the citizen input that they’ve received,” Luhn said, “because it’s been well thought out, well-researched and well-intentioned to both try to meet the goals of the city and preserve the environment, as well as preserving the liveaboard lifestyle.”













Deborah Bach said on June 19, 2011
Thanks to everyone for your thoughtful comments. We knew this topic would be of big interest to readers, and we will be continuing to follow the issue as it progresses.
Curt Epperson said on June 18, 2011
I was born in Seattle many years ago when it was a friendly and fun place to live. Now, Seattle is a big city. Big cities have “planning” departments and numerous other bureaucracies. Bureaucracies have an abundance of petty tyrants. We took our boat and left 20 years ago.
Captain John said on June 18, 2011
Great Comments guys , but are you ready and willing to show up at the next public form or go to the city counsel meeting to show support for the liveabord life style.. or will you be one of those who hides under the radar or stcks your head in the sail cover. The house boat community with their big bucks just got a law passed that gives then perfered use status. A recreational vessel is a depndent use status , however, a recreational liveaboard vessel is a not perfered use and subject to ID ten t regulations by the city.. Storm water run off is a one rain storm is thousands of times more polution than all of the grey water and other boat run off from all vessels combined..
Deborah Bach said on June 19, 2011
Captain John,
At the moment there are no additional public forums planned on the proposed changes – but people could certainly contact city council members to express their thoughts and show up to future council meetings on the topic.
ben said on June 18, 2011
There was a guy at earth day in Boston years ago handing out buttons: Save the planet, kill yourself
Pretty much sums it up. People are bad for the environment. You don’t need a study to understand it. Therefore you can’t look at liveaboards in isolation from the rest of the urban environment.
Living on a boat is probably the most spartan way to live. We use less power, less water, buy less crap, generate less garbage, require less of everything compared to land based people.
Look at Elliot Bay Marina. I think there are 3 liveaboards left there or something. The place is full of boats leaching the same bottom paint chemicals into the water, getting washed with the same crap, but 90% of them probably leave the slip twice a year. This is combining the worst kind of environmental impact – owners, living on land, with their toy a drive away doing more or less the same environmental impact as a liveaboard boat.
Douglas G Young said on June 15, 2011
I have been living aboard now for five years. In that time I have become more aware of the environment around me than I have ever been in the past 55 years of my life. When I was a home owner it didn’t mater what pesticide I sprayed on the yard. It didn’t mater about fumes or debris I cause working in my garage. If I wanted to burn garbage no one cared. Washing my cars wasn’t a concern to anyone. Pollution caused by home owners as I see it now far exceeds anything a live aboard could produce. I have read dozens of stories about companies being caught dumping hazardous waste or toxins and even our government has covered up and over it’s wast from military bases and or facilities.
The last big issue brought to us the boaters has been copper based bottom paint and the passing of regulations regarding the discontinuation of it’s use. That is unless your boat is under 61 feet in length. Container ships who use hundreds of gallons of this so called pollutant are exempt. So I ask where will it all stop. Regulations will spread to home owners when the run out of regulating those aboard. Ill bet they howl when it does. So while the mindless regulators are doing their thing without consideration to what is right or wrong it might be time to consider if we really need to be paying their wages while they build this governmental bureaucracy. Tax cuts anyone ? Budget balance anyone would anyone like to make any suggestions where we could save money in our governmental budget. I just thank God we don’t get all the government we pay for. Just one more tick on the tote stick why we should go cruising and leave this insanity behind.
Justin R. said on June 15, 2011
Four nights a month?! What if you want to go sailing at dawn? The environmental impact of driving back and forth to the boat is substantial, and this is supposedly outweighed by some environmental damage caused be me sleeping on board? This is crazy.
Alex said on June 14, 2011
The city’s plan to reduce liveaboards will actually create a system to track and restrict private boat usage. There is no cost effective way marina’s could determine whether you sleep on board your boat in the marine or go sailing. Certainly the solution for marina’s to meet these requirements will be by installing gate usage tracking devices. All boat owners will then be required to only visit their boat below the ‘liveaboard’ time period. Of course, once all this is installed the city can then gradually reduce the approved time period. Next I expect they will announce that these requirements will only apply to boats under 65 feet and non-commercial.
Dream Ketcher said on June 16, 2011
Alex
Just to let you know that any marina using key fobs to open gates already knows how often you come down to your boat. Along with how often yoou go to the restroom, shower, and laundry.
Captain Curmudgeon said on June 14, 2011
I wounder if they considered the violation of our constitutional rights. You know the part about Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Dano said on June 13, 2011
Did that dum bass broad who worked for the state and want to regulate the marinas get a new job at the city all of sudden? People wonder why this country is going to crap — it’s becasue of all the regulations and “do gooders” making it harder and harder to do anything!
Dylan Lippert said on June 13, 2011
In Filucy bay there is an oil sheen every time it rains for the first time after a few weeks of sun…it comes from the asphalt parking lot and road run off. The cleanest place in the bay to dig for clams is right by the marina..hard to use “grey water” argument after hanging around the industrial part of Tacoma..lieveaboard definetly haven’t caused the problems in Commencement bay. When will waterfront property owners, indsty, and road users beging to pay for the runnoff that they discharge into the Puget sound??? Why must we constantly penalize the community that per capital is the SMALLEST polluter of our waterways. Seems like liveaboards are an easy target….doesn’t make it right to use them as target practice.
Cosmo said on June 13, 2011
Living aboard in a moderately responsible fashion is probably the lowest impact lifestyle I can imagine. Regulating and monitoring input and output of every resource – water, electricity, and fuel with much more scrutiny than any homeowner. Liveaboards by nature conserve their resources (to avoid running outside at 6am in January to refill the water tank mid-shower for example). How many homes have the amount of water and electric use monitoring ability of the simplest boat? Electric devices are mostly low voltage, low current devices buffered by the boat’s battery – most boats use probably the equivalent electricity of one room in a typical house. In addition they are consuming and wasting less, by simply living in such a small space.
As an “eco-friendly” city we should encourage and highlight our liveaboard community! If there are potential environmental issues, study and fix them (provide drain hookups or pumpouts for greywater for example). The faux environmental concerns of driving out liveaboards really amount to gentrification of the waterfront and have no basis in protecting the environment.
the filthy whore said on June 13, 2011
grey water sources on land
laundry…..30 gal per load
bath/shower….. 80 gal
dishwasher…….20 gal
on a boat
laundry….. 0 (laundry done at a laundry mat , always with a full load)
shower……..6 gal (how often do you take a bath on a boat, even if you have a tub)
dishwasher……..5 gal (I call mine “candi” and it is done by hand, which saves water)
this does not constitute even 1 trillion parts per billion of the water in the marina on a daily basis.
it is time for seattle to stop being a city of idiots who sit around and make up reasons to interrupt people’s lives.
the filthy whore said on June 13, 2011
I meant 1 part per trillion, thats what i get for letting myself get distracted
EJG said on June 13, 2011
Pat,
The question isn’t whether liveaboards produce more greywater, the question is do they produce **and release** a sufficient amount of greywater to justify the cost of the regulation based on the expected benefit of implementing that regulation. I suspect that the amount is so trivial that there are about a hundred other actions to be taken that would produce a better result at a lower cost, but I’m not certain, so a study might clarify the issue. If the aim of the regulation is to prevent greywater from entering the Sound then the regulation as proposed is improperly constructed and constitutionally indefensible because it restricts all liveaboards without regard to thier treatment of greywater.
Anyone who wants to express an opinion to the city or get on a list to stay informed can contact SDPD at 233-0079 or contact the Mayor’s office (684-4000) and ask why he is destroying affordable housing that has a zero land footprint, is not susceptible to sea level rise, has much lower energy consumption than traditional housing, generates less car trips, and has a higher sense of community than any neighborhood in Gotham – I mean Seattle. . .
peregrinesea said on June 13, 2011
It is sad, but I warned about this trend in my post –
http://blog.peregrinesea.com/2011/03/living-aboard-peregrina.html
I have seen this trend from the beginning when I lived aboard over at Eagle Harbor many years ago. The Northwest is getting to gentrified and forgetting it’s history and roots.
Living Aboard – SKYE of Eagle Harbor – http://blog.peregrinesea.com/2011/03/living-aboard-skye-of-eagle-harbor.html
Matthew said on June 13, 2011
The process by which the City of Seattle concocts regulations rarely has anything to do with those people who will be affected by them (unless they have big bucks and then they’re exempt). I spent an unfortunate 17 years having to enforce regulations concerning land use, sub-standard housing and shoreline issues. I’ve seen the process up close and personal. I’ve had to deal with shouting and angry people affected by the regulations. I’ve seen that it only takes about two dozen people (preferably property owners and tax payers) to convince the city council to create a regulation. You should’ve witnessed the whole silly joke to allow pot belly pigs to be kept as house pets. When’s the last time you saw a pot belly pig that wasn’t on the BBQ?
My point is, the live aboard community is not the poor trash it was 20 years ago.(It wasn’t 20 years ago either but try to tell people that). There are doctors, lawyers, engineers, IT geeks, people of all professions that have chosen a particular lifestyle, one that rejects the need for a house that’s too big. That’s different, and that’s threatening to some of the shore community (Also, we didn’t have to pay $1,000,000 for our waterfront residence) It only takes that two dozen folks to get the city to do something. If you’re live aboard in Seattle, this is not the time to let some one else worry about it. It’s time for a show of numbers.
Pat said on June 13, 2011
Do we really need to pay for a scientific study to prove or disprove the “perception” that liveaboards discharge more greywater than non-liveaboards?